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A little Windex for the dark lens on Reality TV blogging

Regina | November 27, 2011 | 84 Comments More

(November 27, 2011) – From the day we began blogging about the Housewives, we realized there was an inherent danger in posting our thoughts about television personalities we do not know. We learned this by reading Dr. Drew’s The Mirror Effect a few years ago.

If you haven’t had the chance to check it out, we encourage you to do it. In it Dr. Drew argues that by observing and commenting on famous people who behave in a narcissistic way, the viewer runs the risk of dehumanizing the celebrity, and in the process, of fostering a narcissistic rage in the viewer, not unlike the irrational hatred that is depicted in Shirley Jackson’s haunting short story, The Lottery.

For this reason, we have tried very hard to look at the characters portrayed in the Housewives shows and to react to them with a healthy dose of empathy that includes an understanding that a) we are only seeing what the editors want us to see; and b) these are real people with real feelings who, just like us, are not perfect. This effort has served us well, although we have annoyed quite a few people who simply cannot understand why we are so reluctant to say a particular character deserves a chance to redeem him or herself when it is obvious that what they have done is simply outrageous.

That’s fine. We do not need people to agree with us or give us a pass for what they think we did wrong. We will always try to react with caution and understanding because we believe Dr. Drew when he wrote that the only way to stay unharmed by narcissistic celebrities is to listen, observe and react with as much empathy as possible.

Well, we bring all of this up because last night we had an extraordinary case of insomnia and stumbled upon Ilana Angel’s post, Lynn Hudson and the Dark Side of Reality Television Blogging. We knew the piece existed and tried not to read it because when we saw a Twitter slap fight erupt when it was first published, we decided it was a waste of time to read because it looked like two bloggers had taken sides with different former cast members of the Real Housewives of New York and we simply did not want to get involved because we are not interested in either Reality TV star. And the Twitter argument sounded absurd when we saw those tweets fly by on our timeline.

photo: Hollywood Life

Truth be told, we’re still not that interested in either Jill Zarin or Bethenny Frankel. Neither woman has ever really captured our attention. Jill must have an upside, but she always struck us as extraordinarily boring so we unfollowed her on Twitter when we realized she spent most of her day tweeting about recent purchases and her never-ending squabbles with airlines. Bethenny seems like a colorful character, and we do like her husband Jason Hoppy, but we’re never going to buy her Skinny Girl Margarita and we do not need recipe tips. So for the most part, we have ignored both women because we are far more interested in other people (mostly those people who are not famous at all) that we’ve met online.

Now fast forward to Ilana Angel’s truly creepy post about Lynn Hudson and her blog I Hate Jill Zarin. What Ilana wrote in the Jewish Journal is truly disturbing. If even 1% of it is true, it is creepy beyond belief. If none of it is true, it is even creepier.

The post itself is so long, with so many links to external blogs, that it is impossible for us to comprehend it all without dozens of readings and hours of independent research that includes sifting through the comments sections of blogs that were written over a year ago. Even if we had the time to do this, we pray to God that we would refrain from it. First, it is a waste of time. And second, we believe that kind of research is dangerous because it requires us to engross ourselves in what looks like a cesspool of hatred and mean spirited ugliness.

We believe that if we were to spend the time sorting through the accusations, we’d discover one of three possibilities: 1) Lynn’s blog either began as, or involved into, a den of nasty hatred that is populated by an army of soldiers who will defend themselves and their leader regardless of what is right and what is true; 2) Ilana Angel is a dangerous person who will go to great lengths to attack someone who has done nothing wrong; or c) There is a little bit of truth in the above two possibilities. If there is a forth option, we do not know what it is. But we would love to know about it, if you see one, because we don’t like the three possibilities we came up with.

All we know for sure is that:

    photo: lynnnchicago.com

    1. We found Lynn’s blog as a result of watching the Real Housewives of New York episodes when Jill Zarin spent a considerable amount of time complaining about a certain “hate blogger” in Chicago.

    2. We looked up Lynn’s blog because we wanted to know if it was a “hate blog” or just the writings of someone who did not celebrate Jill’s mean girl antics.

    3. When we found the blog, it didn’t seem like the nicest place on earth, but it also didn’t seem like a venue dedicated to ruining anyone’s, let alone Jill’s Zarin’s life.

    4. We decided to start Priscilla from Wasilla because we like to write, are interested in blogging and have watched all of these Housewives shows from day one.

    5. We promised ourselves when we started this blog that we would never, ever stoop to being snarky because we have no respect whatsoever for nastiness as a sport.

    6. We noticed that Lynn seemed to celebrate snark as a valuable pastime, but we assumed what she means by snark is different from what we mean.

    7. We began to listen to Carly Hall Presents, a blog talk radio show that’s hosted by Carly Hall and often features Lynn Hudson as a guest. And we came to believe that Lynn was not a nasty woman who was out to get Jill Zarin.

    8. We wrote a blog post somewhere here on this blog stating that both Carly and Lynn are actually intelligent women who enjoy discussing Housewives. (Sorry we cannot find that link now).

    9. We grew to really like Carly because she’s fun, smart and she’s willing to say she likes things and people that other Housewives fans detest. We admire that kind of courage to stand up for what you believe in, despite the fact that your position may be unpopular.

    10. We even met with Michael Mazzella, who now writes for Lynn’s blog, and was in NYC during a recent stint as a secondary character on next season’s Real Housewives of New York.

    11. Everything was fine up to this point. We made a few friends online, took an interest in helping Michael find a job in NYC. Life was good for this little microblog and the handful of people who read it, whom we simply adore.

Then the trouble started a few weeks ago, when we tuned into Carly Hall Presents and heard Lynn make a strange racist comment about Irish American people (check out the tape at the 3:40 mark). We’re pretty non-confrontational, but when it comes to racism we always speak up because we believe it is an outward expression of an inward evil and we’re going to pull off its mask every time we see it, regardless of whether the person who is expressing it is just ignorant and doesn’t know any better, or if they are filled with hatred and personify it.

So we called into the show to ask Lynn what she meant by saying how Irish-Americans get drunk at funerals and that for them “it’s all about drinking.” And she could not step on our words more quickly. She literally silenced us by interrupting what we were trying to say, before we could complete our thought. Rather than politely hear us out, she simply had to verbally barge into our words with her thought: that she is Irish-American and therefore she could not be perpetrating stereotypes about a group that she is a member of. Well, educated people know that nothing could be further from the truth. There are self-haters of every race, ethnicity and religion. And everyone with an education knows it.

And all of these groups are comprised of individuals who cannot be defined by racist generalizations. She continuously said “you’re kidding me; right?” (check out the tape at the 12:00 mark) And we continuously said we were not kidding her and tried to make our point, but eventually gave up because she simply would not allow us the courtesy of listening to what we were trying to say and instead Carly decided we were being “ironic.” No Carly, we were not being ironic. We were trying to ask a question but Lynn did not want to hear it.

That’s fine. Lynn does not owe us any courtesy. She can step on people’s words and close her mind if that is how she chooses to live her life. But then, moments after we hung up, “Mary,” one of Lynn’s minions literally sprinted over to this blog to blast us for having the audacity to question the great and all powerful Lynn Hudson. She said our “attack made me uncomfortable because it was unfounded.” Now keep in mind we never attacked Lynn. We simply tried to ask her a question that we could not fully express because Lynn stepped on our words. And granted we were upset when we called because racism of any kind does upset us every time, but Lynn’s self-appointed protector decided to characterize what little we said by writing, “let me just say that you sounded a little ape-shit yourself tonight on Carly Hall’s radio show. Seriously, are you that sensitive?”

We tried to forget Mary as soon as we read her post because Yes! we are that sensitive and we do not want to give a moment’s thought to someone who mocks sensitivity. But we mention it now because straight throughout Ilana Angel’s piece there are accounts of people who were shouted down or silenced by Lynn Hudson and those who read her blog and conduct a coffee klatch in the comments below each post. None of these conversations has ever interested us even slightly so we don’t pay much attention to them.

But when we read Ilana’s piece last night, we knew from first hand knowledge that at least some of what was written is true. Lynn does try to silence dissenting opinions. And Lynn’s readers do militantly confront people who do not agree with Lynn’s every word. And there is something very sick about that. And we believe that at least part of what is sick is revealed in Dr. Drew’s book The Mirror Effect.

We believe that Lynn and the women who read her blog may have started out lovingly pointing out when Jill Zarin did something hateful or outrageous when she was battling with Bethenny. But we believe they looked into the reflection of Jill’s narcissism and began to ape Jill’s worst traits. We believe many of them are now in full-blown narcissistic rage, as Dr. Drew warned. And we think they are literally mirroring the very behavior that they originally found so reprehensible in Jill.

And that makes us very sad. We feel for them and hope that somehow they can go back to being nice girls who enjoy watching a television show and discussing this with each other in a polite fashion.

We have been very reluctant to say any of this, though we’ve been aware of what has been happening over at LynnnChicago.com for some time. We do not want to be the object of Lynn’s ire or the target of her fanatical readers. We want to have a nice life and talk to nice people about the Housewives.

We are also aware that Lynn knows we’re no longer charmed by her schtick. We’ve alluded to this on our blog. And we’ve been sure to include links to Lynn’s site in these references because we are not trying to hide what we think, or trying to talk behind her back. We stand by what we say and we are okay with Lynn knowing we do not agree with everything she says.

And we know Lynn is aware of what we say because the moment you link to someone else’s website, that person who runs that site is alerted to the fact that you are referencing them. Lynn may deny she is aware of our links, but we know she is aware. And not coincidentally, she stopped following us on Twitter yesterday. We thought that was strange because Lynn always says she loves all readers, including those who do not agree with her. And we believed her. Until yesterday.

Why? Because when we realized Lynn was no longer following us, we discovered we weren’t following her either. (We have no idea how this happened.) So we refollowed her and let her know that somehow we both stopped following each other. She quickly wrote back that she had been having trouble with Twitter all day.

And then she wrote again to say that her computer says she is following us when we know she is not. And we are sure she must know this to because we know nothing more than anyone else does.

Before you begin to think that we care in the slightest whether Lynn Hudson is following us, rest assured we do not. Lynn doesn’t tweet much and most of what she does tweet are alerts that she’s posted a new blog entry. It is not like we were all having a conversation and now she will no longer be able to hear us. Lynn wasn’t listening to us to begin with. Her closing her ears to what we have to say has no effect on us at all.

The only reason we mention it is that we believe Lynn no longer wants to validate us and our blog with a follow because we have made it clear we are not her sycophants. And we believe she wants to punish us the easiest way she knows how with a meaningless “unfollow.” That’s fine. We’ll still follow her until she blocks us and then we’ll carry on with life as though we never heard her name or read her blog.

Now keep in mind, we do not believe that Lynn dismissing our comment on the radio or unfollowing us compares even slightly to what Ilana Angel alleges in her blog post about Lynn. Not even close. But there is a flavor of what we know to be true in much of what Ilana alleges in her Jewish Journal piece. And it is just strong enough that we believe at least 1% of what Ilana says is fact.

Also, please keep in mind that we do not think Lynn is a bad person. Far from it. We think she was a Housewives fan who can write, likes to blog and gained alot of attention and power because she was at the right place and the right time. And we believe Jill Zarin was just nutty enough to make her enemy a famous blogger by mentioning Lynn on-air so many times. More power to Lynn. Her success does not diminish ours. We wish her well and hope she is able to continue the blog now that Jill has become wholly irrelevant to Housewives fans. If Lynn doesn’t deal with Jill’s irrelevance skillfully by renaming her blog, she will turn into the blogger who is talking about Screech from Saved by the Bell 20 years after the show ended, as Carly hilariously predicted on her radio show a few weeks ago.

As for Ilana Angel, we have no idea what to make of her. She seems like she has her facts straight in that long blog post with all the external links. But we have no idea if what she is saying is true or false. What’s more we don’t know what to make of most of the comments that were posted beneath it. Some sound like they were written by Jill and her team. Others sound like they were written by Lynn’s army. But ultimately, we wonder why Ilana sounds so combative when she confronts Lynn on Twitter.

It makes us wonder if Ilana is enjoying the opportunity to confront Lynn as much as Lynn gained a position in life by confronting Jill. We have no way of knowing if this is true or not because we have not read Ilana’s blog as often as we have read Lynn’s. Ilana could simply be someone who has witnessed an injustice and cannot stand idly by. We are sure that was who Lynn was back when she started her blog. But we think she has since crossed the line herself.

We hope that never happens to us. And we hope both Lynn and Ilana find peace and protect themselves from being hurt by The Dark Side of Reality Television Blogging because all of this was supposed to be fun and we hope both ladies can return to making it that for themselves and all of their readers because both have interesting voices and I enjoyed both of their blogs.

A few side notes:

* We like Michael Mazzella. We like his writing and his unique perspective on the Housewives. We wish him nothing but enormous success in the future.

* We like Carly Hall’s radio show. Because it does not focus on the Real Housewives of Atlanta enough for our tastes, we’re going to start our own show about it. If you are interested in hearing it, please let us know and we’ll post a link to it.

* We are fully prepared for Lynn and/or her readers to lash out at us for writing what we have shared here. We have already seen what “Mary” would do given the slightest hint that we had not properly pledged allegiance to Lynn.

* The fact that the Lynn Hudson controversy is being played out on so many blogs is stone cold creepy. Reading item #3 on Stoopid Housewives is a case in point. We applaud SH for coming out of the woodwork. Your mentioning this story is true makes us think it is because we can see no reason that you would lie.

* We are very curious to read more about what Tamara Tattles has to say. Just as we think SH has no reason to misinform people, we do not think TT does either.

* Finally, we know we are going to lose readers and Twitter friends over this posting. While that may be momentarily disappointing, we can live with it because, in the long run, the truth is all that matters to us.

If you made it this far in reading this long post, thank you for hearing us out.

All the best,

The two nice girls who comprise Priscilla from Wasilla

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Category: The Dark Side of Reality Television Blogging

About the Author (Author Profile)

I am a New York City publicist who specializes in promoting luxury products and experiences and occasionally moonlight as a journalist.

Relatively new to the world of blogging, I have watched and enjoyed Bravo’s Housewives shows since the first season of the Real Housewives of Orange County. I created this blog over the 4th of July holiday of 2011 because I enjoy writing and love to figure out how to blend images and words to create something that is both visually compelling and interesting to read.

  • millie

    I thought you were close friends with the LynnDavidians?

    • Anonymous

      Up until last night at about 3 am, I never heard that term before. I am not even sure who they are, beyond the people who read Lynn’s blog. Of my close friends, I am the only person who has ever read ANY housewives blog. That is precisely why I started this one: to find people who like the Housewives shows as much as I do.nnWhat made you think I was “close friends” with a group that I couldn’t identify in a lineup for all the tea in China?

      • millie

        I just thought that Lynn took credit for giving you a shout out. That’s all.

        • Anonymous

          Back before the Beverly Hills housewives began, I wrote a piece about Dana Wilkey. It sat on my blog, virtually unread until Dana appeared on camera and everyone started looking for information about her. I received thousands of visits as a result of google searches.nnI guess Lynn also looked for information about Dana, found my blog and posted a link on her site directly to that post. I got thousands more hits as a result of that. nnI thanked her for the referrals. That may be what you are talking about. I am not sure. I seem to remember there was one other time that she sent people my way, but honestly I am not sure about that. It may have been the same instance that we discussed twice.nnStill I do not know her beyond Twitter and a few emails. And I do not dislike her. I just think she got off track somewhere. I hope she gets back on target.

          • Aleia

            It’s too late for Lynn to get back on track. What started out righteous , has turned into her need to be right at any cost . Lynn and the majority , who are really only about 100 posters really have turned into Jill zarins . Unless their supporting each other or their favorite hw’s , their behavior is cruel and they brook no dissension. People fear them because their core group o
            Is smart, informative and articulate ; and they know how to Descimate with words . Unless you feel like standing up to them and your equally articulate , you don’t stand a chance. It’s ironic that I think Lynn’s blog is lackluster and boring , but her posters run rings around her verbally. I agree it was the right place at the right time for Lynn and she had the assistance of an established blogger in Terry aley to mentor her. People have said that without the comment section she never would have made it and it’s true. Many people read it just for that. It may seem like she has a plethora of posters but the 500 responses are written by the core group of 75 who post all day and night , and in all of hw’s land , that’s not alot of followers. There’s definitely a similar psychological slant to those core posters. They are absolutely crazy when defending their position , their leader and their fav hw’s. You have genuine courage in blogging this issue.

            • Anonymous

              Thank you for your kind reply. I do not really think of myself as courageous at all. Reading those words made me feel good because in truth I think I am far too chicken to state what I really feel, except in those instances when I see any kind of racism, both veiled forms and unabashed hatred. Then I sometimes see red and say exactly what I think.

              I am very surprised by what happened since this post was published. I fully expected to lose people on Twitter and to be shunned to some degree. The truth is the opposite happened. I gained approximately 30-50 people on Twitter and many people have contacted me to share their stories. Not surprisingly, Lynn has never returned to my Twitter, despite the fact that she said she is actually following me. But I don’t care in the slightest. I would care deeply if I lost other people, but Lynn and I were never more than hi and goodbye semi-acquaintances who simply do not know each other on any level whatsoever.

              I am surprised, also, to read that the comments section of her blog is what lures some people in. They simply do not work for me at all because I do not know the people and it seems like an insider conversation of well-wishing old friends who speak their own language. Generally speaking I have no idea what they’re talking about and never took the time to try and figure it out.

              What truly amazes me is how they revere Lynn, like she is above even the most mild judgment. Somewhere in the comments of this entry a woman mentioned that something to the effect that I am mean spirited and I “criticized Lynn,” as if she is exempt from anything but praise. That is truly strange to me. And it helps me better understand the woman who marched in here after I called her radio show. This commenter made it very clear she doesn’t read my blog or know me, but she had to blast in here moments after hearing me on the radio to let me know that I had some nerve to state my opinion.

              That comment struck me as truly strange at the time and I re-listened to what I said on the show to determine if I did sound “ape shit” as she said and all I can hear is an upset person who is trying to ask the person who upset her to explain what she meant and I really couldn’t get the words out before I was asked repeatedly if I was kidding. I was not. Not only did Lynn not give me a chance to finish what I was saying, and in effect silenced me because I loathe being interrupted. But then one of her loyal soldiers came in here to shame me for having an opinion.

              It’s all so ridiculous. I am just a person who likes to watch Bravo Housewives shows and I think it is fun to blog. I love it when people have any interest in reading what I have to say and I love it when they comment, regardless of whether they agree with me or not. I’ve been watching these shows long enough to know that thanks to manipulative editing I can be made to disagree with myself very quickly because I am not immune to the manipulations despite my best efforts to see through it.

              Finally (sorry this is so long) reading what you say about how verbal the commenters are makes me want to return there because I am sure you are right. You are very verbal yourself and I have no doubt your observations are on target. I just worry about doing that because I truly believe that if you look into the abyss long enough, it looks back. That is not an original quote. I read it at the beginning of one of those Hannibal Lecter books and I truly believe it is possible to catch hatred from others.I do not want to run the risk of that happening because the thing I like about myself more than anything else is that I am a genuinely nice person who is as sensitive about my feelings as I am about yours.

              Thank you for reading and commenting. I appreciate your thoughts and observations.

  • Stoopid Housewives

    What are you referring to when you say “StoopidHousewives” has come out of the woodwork? u00a0nnFor you to state that you don’t “know” Ilana Angel and then write this entire diatribe about her post in and of itself is bizarre. u00a0Perhaps you should have done some research by reading her before you wrote about it.

    • Anonymous

      I may have misunderstood what you wrote. If I did, I apologize. nnWhen you wrote “At the time of u201cIHateBethennyFrankelu2019su201d expose which involved SH, I nsimply did not want to continue or hear about the attack of this site,” I read that you did not address this subject back when it originated on IHBF. If I misread you, again I apologize.nnWhat I was trying to say is that I am glad you wrote what you wrote now. It was a compliment. And a sincere thanks. Again, if I misunderstood what happened, I do apologize. I very sincerely tried to understand all of this and spent HOURS trying to decipher it all.nnThis is not a diatribe about Ilana’s post. And it is not an attack on her. She doesn’t think it is either. I don’t know you, Lynn, Ilana or any other Housewives blogger. But I do know the English language. I read her piece and the comments with great interest.nnI have read much of what Ilana has written. In fact, she is one of my favorite bloggers. I just have read more of Lynn’s stuff. That’s all.nnI cannot imagine why you came in here to blast me when I so carefully tried to be kind and to express what I think. nnFor the record, I do not know George Orwell either but I would feel comfortable writing a PhD level paper on his work because I have read it all and given all of it decades of thought. But I have never given more thought to any writing more than the posts I read on blogs about Housewives.nnI bet that after you read what I have written here in this response, you will reconsider how you approached me. Even more, I think if you read my post about Ilana’s piece, you will know I meant no harm and am not attacking Ilana. Far from it!nnRegardless I like your blog and celebrate that you have had 4 million readers! It’s a great achievement and I am sure you’ll have 40 million in no time. nnAll the best,nnReginannn

  • abc123

    Thank you for speaking up! I agree 100% and have had my own experiences with Lynn Hudson. she is kind and sweet as long as you agree with her. When you don’t-watch out for her and her minions. They have become the veery people they claim to despise.

    • Anonymous

      You’re welcome. I full expected Lynn’s people to burn me at the stake for what I wrote. But so far so good. Oddly enough most of the backlash came from people who are on Ilana’s side, which is funny considering Ilana thanked me for it. Thank you for reading. I appreciate your comment and, of course, would love to know what happened to you. :D

    • Anonymous

      You’re welcome. I full expected Lynn’s people to burn me at the stake for what I wrote. But so far so good. Oddly enough most of the backlash came from people who are on Ilana’s side, which is funny considering Ilana thanked me for it. Thank you for reading. I appreciate your comment and, of course, would love to know what happened to you. :D

      • abc123

        I would be happy to tell you what happened to me, but would prefer to do it via private email or direct messaging. I really don’t want to get Lynn started again. It was to the point she was stalking me on twitter, nasty comments to me and I would prefer to not have that happen all over. I even told her that the only reason why more people DON’T tell her what they really think is because they are afraid of her and her minions. Of course she/they don’t see anything wrong with what they do. It is sad that they condone their own behavior but bash others that do exactly the same. nnI do believe that she must see, when she is alone at night with her thoughts, that what she has IS a HATE blog. They take bashing the housewives to the cruelest levels. I had thought that after what happened with Russell Armstrong, some of them would lay off bashing them so severely, but sadly they did not learn from the tragedy. They continue to bully the housewives and anyone else that disagrees with them all while professing to be such a great family….**eye rolls**nnIt is a high schoolish clique that Lynn is the head cheerleader of and I find it a sad testament to today’s society. Kids are killing themselves all over this country because of this type of behavior and these ARE SUPPOSEDLY GROWN WOMEN!!

        • Anonymous

          This blogging software is incredibly confusing to me. I replied to this, but cannot see that response anywhere. Before I recreate that reply, I am going to look around to see if it showed up somewhere else so I can try to move it here.

    • Anonymous

      I could have sworn I already replied to your kind note. But it doesn’t seem to be here. I literally cannot imagine why Lynn’s followers behave the way they do. If I blindly supported a certain person, regardless of what that person did, I would hope my family would stage an intervention.nnI bet all involved are lovely people who took a u-turn at one point. I hope they get back on track. nnDare I ask what happened to you?

      • abc123

        I would be happy to tell you what happened to me, but would prefer to don it via private email or direct messaging. I really don’t want to get nLynn started again. It was to the point she was stalking me on twitter, nnasty comments to me and I would prefer to not have that happen all nover. I even told her that the only reason why more people DON’T tell nher what they really think is because they are afraid of her and her nminions. Of course she/they don’t see anything wrong with what they do. nIt is sad that they condone their own behavior but bash others that do nexactly the same. nnI do believe that she must see, when she is nalone at night with her thoughts, that what she has IS a HATE blog. Theyn take bashing the housewives to the cruelest levels. I had thought that nafter what happened with Russell Armstrong, some of them would lay off nbashing them so severely, but sadly they did not learn from the tragedy.n They continue to bully the housewives and anyone else that disagrees nwith them all while professing to be such a great family….**eye nrolls**nnIt is a high schoolish clique that Lynn is the head ncheerleader of and I find it a sad testament to today’s society. Kids nare killing themselves all over this country because of this type of nbehavior and these ARE SUPPOSEDLY GROWN WOMEN!!

        • Anonymous

          Ugh. Sounds awful. You are always welcome to email me anytime. Peaches@PriscillafromWasilla.com Or if you don’t want to, that’s fine too. I definitely don’t want to reopen a bad experience. You deserve better than that. nnToday I decided I would never go to her site again. I hope I keep that promise because I saw today more destructive comments and I do not want that to seep into my brain and affect me negatively. I like being naive about how ugly things can get. The moment I become jaded by negativity in blogging is the moment my inner parent is going to pull the plug on all of this because all of this was supposed to be a fun diversion.

  • Wanda

    Who you are referring to when you say things like “we grew” “we found” “we noticed”? When you posted about your sister – you stated that there is only one person behind this blog.u00a0 Just curious.

    • Anonymous

      I use the first person plural as a writing devise for practice. I am the person whose fingers touch the keypad, but in all truth I do have a writing partner. She and I hash out the message and I type it. After I am done, she either reads it herself or I read it to her for edits, suggestions, comments and changes. She sometimes writes her own posts. I think she writes in third person, leaving herself out of it entirely, but honestly, I cannot remember because she posts her own stuff infrequently, unfortunately. I say unfortunately because she is a far better writer than I am and her stuff is always more popular.

  • Glgriswold

    This article started out great and deteriorated into a giant contradiction!!

    • Anonymous

      What was the contradiction? At what point did it take a big turn? I’d love to know.

      • Glgriswold

        I think you made some underhanded remarks about JZ and BF then went on to criticize Lynn Hudson. I personally do not like any of them but I felt your comments were mean spirited or what one might call passive aggressive.

        • Anonymous

          I don’t think I said anything underhanded, secretive or dishonest about Jill or Bethenny. I plainly stated what I think. If you can tell me where I was underhanded, I’d be very interested to read that.nnYou are right that I criticized Lynn Hudson. I did the best I could to state my case about why. And I went further to say, and I quote:nnu00a0I “do not think Lynn is a bad person. Far from it. We think she was a Housewivesn fan who can write, likes to blog and gained alot of attention and powern because she was at the right place and the right time. And we believe nJill Zarin was just nutty enough to make her enemy a famous blogger by nmentioning Lynn on-air so many times. More power to Lynn. “nnWhat comments were mean-spirited or passive aggressive? I really don’t know what you are referring to. But I’d love to know. If you have the time, please share that with me because I would like to know what you think.

        • Aleia

          I was called passive aggressive on Lynns site when I came right out and said what I felt. I think Iliana is nuts and therefore easily dismissed. Lynn on the other hand
          comes across as fair informative and open to discussion , when in truth she is none of those. Believe me, posters who do her dirty work are rewarded.

    • Anonymous

      What was the contradiction? At what point did it take a big turn? I’d love to know.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the link to Tamara Tattles!u00a0 I’ve said pretty much all I want to about the situation. Though that doesn’t stop the Branch Lyndavidians from posting bizarre comments about the pictures that were stolen to this very day! :) I will have to come back and read here when I have more time. It’s almost time for RHOA! :)u00a0 I will look for you on twitter as well! Happy Bloggling!

    • Anonymous

      Thanks Tamara. Reading about your experience has inspired me to be less lazy about crediting the source of the photos I “find” online. I know full well they are not mine and I do respect private property rights. I am sorry not everyone does. I really wish there were a pool of Housewives images, like wireimage, where I could subscribe and pay for the rights to use them. Thanks again.

    • Anonymous

      Thanks Tamara. Reading about your experience has inspired me to be less lazy about crediting the source of the photos I “find” online. I know full well they are not mine and I do respect private property rights. I am sorry not everyone does. I really wish there were a pool of Housewives images, like wireimage, where I could subscribe and pay for the rights to use them. Thanks again.

  • Eriapa

    HI Priscilla,nnLove your blog…found it when you put the entire section of what Teresa actually wrote in her cookbook bout her cast….love google lol.nnI think Ilana is just as bad as lynn. There is even a blogger that wrote an open letter to Ilana outing her bad behavior. nIn terms of snark….Ilana has called several housewives “whores” and has called people who don’t agree with her uneducated, has retweeted insults about Lynn’s weight etc. nnI think both Lynn and ilana are taking things too far. I thinku00a0Lynnu00a0is getting au00a0taste ofu00a0her own medine lol. u00a0ilana is now targeting a commentator and using her real name and linking personal things about thi s woman’ s business etc.nnSAD SAD SAD

    • Anonymous

      Oh that is SAD. If I ever find myself commenting on the weight of a blogger- or a Housewife – I will shut this down, take a shower and find a psychiatrist. And whore? I would NEVER call any woman that, even if she were a sex worker. It’s just too ugly.nnThe truth is I cannot even take when people make fun of the women’s names, unless it is a purely cute joke – with nothing mean-spirited about it.u00a0 Example: Ramotional is cute. Doesn’t seem hurtful to me. But Traylor? Doesn’t work for me at all – and I am no fan of Taylor’s.nnThank you for reading and commenting. It is wonderful to relearn that there are plenty of women like me who just want to watch the shows and discuss them with other nice people, who may or may not agree with us. But who always try to keep the conversation civilized.

    • Swampyboggs

      I tend to agree with you. Ilana seems almost worse than Lynn. Some of the stuff she writes about Bethenny makes Lynn’s blog look like a love letter to Jill Zarin. And it isn’t just Bethenny she’s nasty about. I think a lot of this is much ado about nothing. Those little middle aged ladies on Lynn’s blog just don’t seem that scary to me. Commentors argue on all blogs. Even ones that aren’t about the housewives. If you wanna see some really mean spiritedness check out some of the sports blogs! Geez they’re hateful on those. And racist. I find all this blogging Ilana’s doing about Lynn is a little pot/kettle.

  • Caroljoan2

    Good for you Lynn has become what she critiqued in the past but hey it’s a living

    • Anonymous

      I hope she is making a living off of it, in the money sense of the word ‘living.’ I say that because being dismissive of people is no way to live. :D

    • Anonymous

      I hope she is making a living off of it, in the money sense of the word ‘living.’ I say that because being dismissive of people is no way to live. :D

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for your blog. It is calmly stated.u00a0 nnI have frequented most RH blogs for years.u00a0 For the life of me I cannot understand why Ilana has called so many people “anti-semitic”, “gay” in au00a0derogatory fashionu00a0re: Simon, “twat” for Alex etc.u00a0 Her tone is very harsh and confrontational so it is not on my list of regular blog stops.u00a0 In fact manyu00a0of the blogs are a lot harder to enjoy because they are ALL very negative. I certainly include Lynn’s blog.u00a0 I don’t know why it is – perhapsu00a0 the shows are just meaner too. Reality Tea is another charmer.nnI do wish the girls would grow up and stop sniping at each other. The RH’s sun is setting. Maybe that’s why everyone is freaking out. Ilana’s blog was a Jill Zarin fan & excuse club. Now Jill is out. So it makes sense for Ilana to pick a fight for attention.nLynn is no saint so Ilana selected her target well. There are a lot of people who are not welcome onu00a0Lynn’s blog, eitheru00a0because they created problems (fights, language) or they just didn’t like the flow of the blog.u00a0 It’s not for everyone unless they like to chit chat about their pet bunnies, dirty dishes Oh!u00a0and look at what Bethenny tweeted.nnI did read the allegations against Lynn on Ilana’s site. Frankly there wasn’t much substance.u00a0 Several people who can’t or don;t comment on Lynn’s blog and how it has given them the heebeejeebees, the clapu00a0or au00a0emotional disorder. There also was a lot about someone else’s blog (saywhat?) and the comments on that siteu00a0so it was quite confusing. nnCan you make sense of it?u00a0nnI get it, many people don’t like Lynn. She hasu00a0groupies.u00a0She has favorites. She wasu00a0rude tou00a0people on the blog or twitter.u00a0 That would upset me too. There are countless housewives blogs, go there – or start your own. nWhat is the point of middle age women fighting over the internet???u00a0 Please stop it.nnGirlFight (as in everyone stops tou00a0watch the girl fight.)

    • Anonymous

      You’re right. There is no point in middle aged women fighting on the internet – or anywhere else. I seriously think there is something about this subject matter that drives people to say and do very odd things. nnJust yesterday I read the words of a woman and Housewives fan, who is waiting for another fan to be released from jail so she can be ready to attack her when she is let free.u00a0 Yes, that is stone cold creepy, but it is more than that: it’s odd. And it goes far beyond the stalker who fixates on the celebrity. It’s a fan stalking another fan. Strange.

  • kiki

    I really enjoy your blog but I’m confused about this post. u00a0If you had a problem with what Lynn said and addressed her directly on the radio show and one of her readers reacted negatively to you, what does that have to do with Lynn? u00a0did she send her “minion” over here tou00a0harassu00a0you as you suggest or is it that that person did with her own free will? u00a0As someone who has disagreed with Lynn a lot, I’m used to the backlash but I have never felt that it was Lynn sending her minions but rather people’s individual free will. u00a0Some people are over zealous but that’s not my problem, you know?nnI don’t really get into blogger beefs because it’s just a way of getting some attention and if you don’t like a blog, then don’t read it. u00a0i don’t understand theu00a0obsessiveu00a0need to document everything andu00a0obsessu00a0over another blogger and then make all kinds of assumptions. u00a0Lynn said that she was having problems with twitter and then you came to the conclusion that she purposefully unfollowed you (even though you said that you figured out that you had not been following her by accident either ?) in order to take away traffic from your site. ? u00a0That doesn’t even make any sense. u00a0Give yourself more credit. u00a0You have a following and it’s not because Lynn follows you on twitter.nnYou give Lynn and others too much power. u00a0Enjoy your blog and your readers and don’t get involved with other people’s beef. u00a0You don’t know that half of it with this Illana chick who calls anyone who dislikes Jill Zarin anti-semetic. u00a0Now THAT is a problem, moreso than Lynn talking about Irish people as an Irish person, in my opinion. u00a0They don’t like each other and that’s between them. u00a0If you have consisently read both of their blogs for the past two years, you can judge for yourself who is lying and who isn’t or whose style you like better. u00a0It’s hardly fair to judge one blogger so harshly based on reading one or two posts from their cyber enemy of three years.nnI go to Lynn’s blog but i don’t always agree with her and I let my opinion be known and keep it moving. u00a0I don’t go on other blogs to defend her or take sides or whatever. u00a0That is why I am so surprised to find you engaging in this kind of pettiness. u00a0Your post is just all over the place and it seems like you are trying to form some kind of bandwagon by mentioning other bloggers besides Illana who have a problem with Lynn (and you did that incorrectly by saying Stoopid Housewives has a problem with Lynn. u00a0I think that while that blooger has interesting posts, she is a control freak with the comments and I’ve had so many bad interactions with her that I stopped going to her site. u00a0She is spiteful and controlling. u00a0Take that as you may.)nnAnyway, to make a long story short, I think you do yourself au00a0disserviceu00a0by involving yourself in blog wars that are not your business. u00a0You made yourself seem petty and I’ve always really enjoyed how even you are, you aren’t over zealous, you are articulate and really make an effort with your readers. u00a0You are above this nonsense. u00a0Please dont’ get involved. u00a0If you don’t like Lynn or Illana or whomever, that is fine but please don’t jump on the bandwagon and jump to conclusions and such in order to influence the traffic to your site. u00a0We already love you!nnHope you take this with the spirit in which it was meant. u00a0Enjoy your day!

    • Anonymous

      Hi Kiki,nnThanks for your note. Thank you for the love! That is very, very sweet of you to say. And I nhear what you are saying and appreciate your kindness to the core. :DnnI don’t think Lynn is responsible for the behavior of “Mary.” If what I wrote stated or implied that, trust me it is a typo or a poorly phrased sentence. (I am known far and wide for typos.) I know “Mary” has free will. I know she chose to pounce on me when she misunderstood what happened on the radio. I do not believe Lynn sent her over here. And even if she did, “Mary” is responsible for her own behavior.nnOf course I could be wrong about Lynn and Twitter. But I would bet a large sum of money that I am not. Unintentionally, I have observed Lynn’s online behavior over a long period of time. People accidentally unfollow and then refollow people all the time. If she wanted to follow me she would. She knows she is not and that is fine. It literally makes no difference in my life whatsoever. But because her unfollowing me was timed with my beginning to disagree with her is more than coincidental in my book. Still I am not bothered by it even slightly. I mentioned it as part of a timeline of information.nnFor the record you’re right that I don’t know what has gone on for 3 years, but I have read both blogs very consistently for 5 months. I say I read Lynn more because as far as I can tell she has much more content than Ilana does. While I think you are right that I put myself in the middle of a blogging beef, that was not my intention. My intention was to join the discussion of the dark side of blogging, based upon my knowledge of Dr. Drew’s theories about it. After reading that book, I stopped reading the comments on TMZ because I believe that they are very dangerous to casual celebrity gossip fans. I realize the word “dangerous” is a very dramatic one, but I truly believe there is danger in all of this. nnI will re-read my post because I do not think it is all over the place, but you very well may be right. I tried to address what I had to say in a very logical way because that is how my brain works. But I often fail. I would not be surprised if this is another example of my less than perfect attempts at making my point.nnBut please know that I am really reacting to Lynn based upon what Lynn has done. There is no question that I am overly sensitive and as I get older, I realize I wouldn’t have it any other way. I say that because I am sensitive to things that hurt me AND I am sensitive to things that could hurt other people. Lynn treated me in a callous, cavalier way. Sure it was about something relatively minor as compared to what Ilana is accusing her of. But it disgusted me nonetheless and it makes me think there is more to this Ilana story than just idle lies and a blogging beef.nnIf Lynn were a minor blogger, like me, with a handful of Twitter friends and blog readers, I probably would have stayed silent. But because I perceive her as an influential person in the world of Housewives, I felt I could weigh in without seeming petty or cruel because what is being discussed is serious, at least to me. I may have failed, but trust me I meant every word I wrote (minus the typos, of course).nnI do take your note with all the kindness I think you intended. And I want you to know I very sincerely appreciate your reading and feeling free to say whatever you want here. While I may not always like what someone has to say, I will always try to keep my cool when I read it.nnThanks again. :Dn

    • Anonymous

      Hi Kiki,nnThanks for your note. Thank you for the love! That is very, very sweet of you to say. And I nhear what you are saying and appreciate your kindness to the core. :DnnI don’t think Lynn is responsible for the behavior of “Mary.” If what I wrote stated or implied that, trust me it is a typo or a poorly phrased sentence. (I am known far and wide for typos.) I know “Mary” has free will. I know she chose to pounce on me when she misunderstood what happened on the radio. I do not believe Lynn sent her over here. And even if she did, “Mary” is responsible for her own behavior.nnOf course I could be wrong about Lynn and Twitter. But I would bet a large sum of money that I am not. Unintentionally, I have observed Lynn’s online behavior over a long period of time. People accidentally unfollow and then refollow people all the time. If she wanted to follow me she would. She knows she is not and that is fine. It literally makes no difference in my life whatsoever. But because her unfollowing me was timed with my beginning to disagree with her is more than coincidental in my book. Still I am not bothered by it even slightly. I mentioned it as part of a timeline of information.nnFor the record you’re right that I don’t know what has gone on for 3 years, but I have read both blogs very consistently for 5 months. I say I read Lynn more because as far as I can tell she has much more content than Ilana does. While I think you are right that I put myself in the middle of a blogging beef, that was not my intention. My intention was to join the discussion of the dark side of blogging, based upon my knowledge of Dr. Drew’s theories about it. After reading that book, I stopped reading the comments on TMZ because I believe that they are very dangerous to casual celebrity gossip fans. I realize the word “dangerous” is a very dramatic one, but I truly believe there is danger in all of this. nnI will re-read my post because I do not think it is all over the place, but you very well may be right. I tried to address what I had to say in a very logical way because that is how my brain works. But I often fail. I would not be surprised if this is another example of my less than perfect attempts at making my point.nnBut please know that I am really reacting to Lynn based upon what Lynn has done. There is no question that I am overly sensitive and as I get older, I realize I wouldn’t have it any other way. I say that because I am sensitive to things that hurt me AND I am sensitive to things that could hurt other people. Lynn treated me in a callous, cavalier way. Sure it was about something relatively minor as compared to what Ilana is accusing her of. But it disgusted me nonetheless and it makes me think there is more to this Ilana story than just idle lies and a blogging beef.nnIf Lynn were a minor blogger, like me, with a handful of Twitter friends and blog readers, I probably would have stayed silent. But because I perceive her as an influential person in the world of Housewives, I felt I could weigh in without seeming petty or cruel because what is being discussed is serious, at least to me. I may have failed, but trust me I meant every word I wrote (minus the typos, of course).nnI do take your note with all the kindness I think you intended. And I want you to know I very sincerely appreciate your reading and feeling free to say whatever you want here. While I may not always like what someone has to say, I will always try to keep my cool when I read it.nnThanks again. :Dn

    • MaggieG

      “I go to Lynn’s blog but i don’t always agree with her and I let my opinion be known and keep it moving. u00a0I don’t go on other blogs to defend her or take sides or whatever.”nI don’t necessarily disagree with the majority of the content in your post but there appears, to me, to be a disconnect between what you said & what you did: u00a0come here to express your opinion that by Priscilla’s expressing her opinion she is somehow petty.nnIf someone has a (first hand) positive or negative experience with Lynn why would it be beneath that person to express it? u00a0It doesn’t seem over zealous or nonsensical or unreasonable to me. u00a0Asking her to please not get involved, however could be seen as an unreasonable suggestion.nnJust a third party observation.

      • Anonymous

        Wow Maggie, you had a take on that note completely unlike mine. It literally never occurred to me that there was a disconnect. But I think you are right.nnIn my off-line life I am surrounded by extremely eccentric, strong personalities and truthfully, I wouldn’t have it any other way. And as a result I have grown to accept and celebrate the inconsistencies and contradictions in other people because I find it all utterly fascinating.nnI think, actually I know, that Kiki has all of the world’s best intentions in her note. And I appreciate her sharing them here so freely, and with such grace. I hope she continues commenting whenever she feels like it.nnAnd I hope I take her advice to keep out of other people’s nonsense. Still I can see a possibility that one day I will not be able to bite my tongue. I can accept that because any time anyone is attacked for their appearance, race, ethnicity or religion I would not be able to live with myself if I did not step in, regardless of whether it was my business or not.nnxxoo,nn:Dn

  • MaggieG

    In the short time I’ve been reading & commenting here I’ve grown to enjoy your perspective. u00a0I’m not even remotely interested in doing research into either of the women & their blogs referred to here, but I can say from visiting both sites that one can find mean-spirited dialogue in both. u00a0It’s unbecoming for mature women to reduce themselves for the sake of sensationalism.nnThank you for providing a haven of sorts. u00a0I miss Q’s place but am glad to be able to come here.nBrava Priscilla, for braving the (sure to come) onslaught by people who are too cowardly to even retain their (anonymous) poster names & pretend to lend numbers to an issue by commenting as multiple posters. u00a0Bizarre behavior & much foaming at the mouth.

    • Anonymous

      Thanks Maggie. I really miss Q. She was my all time favorite blogger. I really wish she would return but I have a feeling that is not going to happen. Whenever something puzzled me, I would check out her blog to see what she made of it. She almost always had a fresh, unusual take on it. And when she didn’t, I’d DM her on Twitter and she’d generously offer an opinion or comment that was 100% unlike anything else I found elsewhere on the internet. And as far as I could tell, she was always above the squabbling. I will miss that.nnI’m beginning to think it is the subject of Housewives that gets people in arguments. Earlier this summer I was discussing NJ with a friend and out of nowhere she yelled, “You’re not going to stop me from watching that show!” I looked at her surprised that she thought I was trying to do that and she followed it up with “I have no idea why I just said that.” I really wonder why these shows get people so angry. (And by the way, I am not immune to this either). I think psychologists and sociologists should study Housewives viewers. I think these shows have a strange effect on otherwise pleasant people.nnBTW, it never occurred to me that one commenter would use multiple names to add weight to their opinion. I hope I never check to see if that is true. But I am sure I might if I notice similar writing styles. Oh well. Life goes on. Thanks again. :D

      • sweetiebeaties

        I use different names on different sites, but not within the same blog. I worry about one sites followers seeing that I am reading and god forbid agreeing with another site with a different perspective and getting attacked for it. I rarely read the comments and even more rarely comment on any Housewives related blogs, u00a0because I stay out of the fray. It is getting out of hand with these internet wars, I am a grown woman and I just cannot fathom that other grown women behave as they do.u00a0

        • Anonymous

          I think that making a point about the substance of a blog or a discussion is 100% legitimate. Having said that, I think that personal attacks are unacceptable and a way that people who cannot debate or reason use to discredit someone or an idea they find threatening.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jayne.melton Jayne Haney

    I read all the blogs you mentioned (I also miss A Blog From Prairie). I have only ever commented on your blog because of the cruelty of the comments on other blogs frighten me, especially at Lynn’s blog. n

    • Anonymous

      Amen to that! And thank you for reading and feeling comfortable commenting here. You are welcome to say whatever you want. Now, of course, I can see that some day I may not like what you, or someone else has to say, but I swear on a stack that I will never delete a comment or block a commenter. Truth be told, I have no idea how to block anyone and do not intend to find out. nnMy one and only wish is that no one ever calls anyone names or attacks another person’s appearance or ethnicity as a way to make a point without doing the work to make that point. Any attempt to have a reasonable, civilized conversation is very welcome here, even if you disagree with me (and trust me I disagree with myself often after I have given a subject more thought.) I say that because my mind is wide open and I welcome the opportunity to allow someone to influence what I think.nnThanks for reading. :D

      • Housewives Junkie

        I second Jayne’s sentiment. I like and appreciate the civil discourse on this blog. As a matter of fact, this is the only blog or message board I have ever been comfortable leaving a message on. I was a little confused by your comment, Priscilla, about how the comments on part 2 of the Uptown article were fascinating. I read them and thought they were vile and bordering on a mob mentality. I wasn’t quite sure how to respond. After reading your comments, I think I get where you were going with that. Too many people use the anonymity of the internet to post horrible, hurtful things about real, albeit, flawed individuals without a second thought. It is possible to discuss the shows and cast frankly and openly without the name hurling and attacking. It almost seems to become a one upmanship contest as to who can say the most outlandish or hurtful thing. I need to read the Dr. Drew book you mentioned, it sounds interesting. Again, thanks for providing a civil place to post my thoughts, I am so glad you are still here!

        • Anonymous

          Thank you! Thank you for reading, for commenting and for sharing your kindness. I very sincerely appreciate it.nnIf I had a copy of the book I’d send it to you. I find it fascinating. and I’ve bought many copies of it. But every time I do, I give it away almost instantly because I think is is good lay person’s guide to a very strange thing that happens when people become overly involved with celebrities. nnI must admit, I am guilty of calling Peter a jerk. I feel comfortable doing it because I think he is a jerk. But I do make that statement after watching him over a period of time, in a few outlets and I do believe he has behaved like a jerk.u00a0 But if he or Kyle Richards were to change their tune, I’d be right there celebrating their change. That is who I am on a very fundamental level. There are fewer than five people in my long life that I have ever said “enough is enough; there is no hope for that person and me.”nnI have not seen the comments in the Uptown article in a day or two. Maybe they have turned rabid since I’ve been there, or maybe I just skimmed over the truly nasty ones. (I do this to protect myself from allowing nasty people into my head because I think comments can be dangerous). But the reason I found them fascinating is that they provide a different voice from which to analyze the RHOA personalities, namely a more African-American voice than most Housewives blogs that are written almost exclusively by middle aged white women like me.nnThe second reason they interested me is that they seemed to fall into two camps: those who are really turned off by Peter’s controlling personality (like me) and those who think what he has done to Cynthia isn’t so bad. For the life of me, I cannot figure out how anyone can defend Peter’s actions. Still because I am insanely curious about people, I found those comments especially interesting because they gave me a window from which to possibly understand someone else’s perspective. nnI still haven’t figured out the perspective that supports Peter, but Uptown’s comment section gives me hope that one day I will be able to understand it.nnThank you again for reading and commenting. :D

  • Donna

    I am a great-grandmother and my head is spinning like the scene from the exorcist. I visit Blogs and do post very little. I find in Lynns blog the atmosphere I don’t belong to the “club”. I just realized that Stoopid Housewives has not posted my comments, why I don’t know, I am polite and non-confrontamental. LOL Bravo has also “blocked” me from comments, when I was upset about the “mean tweeting” and felt they should have addressed that issue on the subject of bullies, (I have been bullied). nnIMO Bravo shows have jumped the shark.u00a0 Blogs are a matter of opinion, we can share or not share/agree withu00a0each others opinion, but please do so in a polite manner as a community of persons.nnAs my husband and I were talking about the “Real Houswives” shows, I stated that I would never be a part of being on the show. He asked why as I have nothing to hide. My answer, who knows what someone in my family has done something wrong/illegal and I know nothing about, I would not want my/their privacy invaded. (The government does that already post 9/11).nnThank you for letting me “vent”

    • Anonymous

      You’re welcome, but really the thanks is to you for reading this blog and commenting, too. I appreciate it. Literally one moment ago, I decided never to visit certain blogs again. What is said on them is too ugly and inspires me to respond but I know I shouldn’t so I’ll stop reading them. nnI hope you are wrong about Bravo shows jumping the shark. This is my favorite channel despite the fact that Bravo itself annoys me to no end because I do not believe they understand their customer. And I do not believe they treat us well.nnI am with you: I would NEVER appear on one of these shows. The price is too high regardless of whether you have something to hide or not. Just look at what they did to Alex McCord! nnAs far as the post-9/11 Big Brother goes, I would laugh if it weren’t so serious. Scary times. nn

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VVVBGC4MZW3OW6HZRVEQGMZKNQ Barbara

    First of all I want to say I am so happy that you thought about it and decided to not stop your blogging, thank you for that. u00a0Second I have to admit to coming back here but for some reason read the stories as they flowed but missed the comment section so I thought to myself, okay you kept the blog but got rid of the comment section to avoid giving your sister a place to go after you; still can’t figure out why I didn’t realize the comment section is still here.nnI read your blog about Lynn and Ilana and I too thought it was scary weird what Ilana wrote, I thought it was hateful and frankly not necessary. u00a0Because I wasn’t as smart as you I did read her entire blog and went to every link and then to those links and etc. u00a0Took me many hours and none of Ilana’s allegations against Lynn were there as she stated, NONE!!. u00a0Not really surprised. u00a0Haven’t read Dr. Drew’s book but did hear him talk about it so maybe that is what is behind the silly blogger and twitter wars that I keep stumbling upon. u00a0I do believe Lynn has friends who defend her but I haven’t seen “proof” that Lynn is behind the actions – is it possible she is, most certainly but I haven’t seen it proven. u00a0I rarely get in the middle of things but felt a need to “out” Ilana on her attack on Lynn as being hateful andu00a0hypocriticalu00a0of her claim to live the faith. u00a0nnYou have peaked my curiosity so I will listen to Carly’s show to see for myself the dialog that went down over the “Irish” statement. u00a0As for the follow/unfollow, have no idea what happened with you and Lynn but I do know that Twitter does randomly mess up. u00a0The follow/unfollow happens to me as well as missing tweets in my TL so for whatever that is worth I wanted to share that with you.nnHopefully all the blogger wars and twitter wars can end and everybody can just agree to disagree and follow whoever they want to without fear of being attacked. u00a0I am glad that you and yourself continue to blog with such balanced insight. u00a0Keep on blogging, thanks.

    • Anonymous

      Thanks Barbara. As for the follow/unfollow, believe me I get it. Things happen on Twitter that are unintentional. Unfortunately, I doubt strongly this is one of those cases. But really the Twitter thing makes no difference to me at all. I just think the timing is not coincidental. nnWhat did and still does matter to me is that I tried to communicate a thought and my words were stepped on by someone who was trying to silence me. As I have said, my example pales in comparison to what Ilana Angel is alleging. But the flavor of those allegations can be tasted in my experiences with Lynn which makes me think that at least 1% of what Ilana is saying is true.nnBut regardless of all of this, I have read Lynn’s blog every morning for 5 months. There is something very ugly going on over there. And I know from reading it that all dissenting opinion is squashed with dehumanizing discussion about the suspected heretics who dare disagree with Lynn. nnI ran from that blog earlier today with hopes of never returning when I saw that Lynn was calling another person he/she/it. That has to be the creepiest thing I have heard since Allison Dubois talked about God giving someone two legs. Just creepy to me.

      • MaggieG

        Agree with your comment & have also noticed that Lynn goes for the jugular.nWith as much as is surfacing regarding her M.O. (even if much of it is false/exaggerated) it seems likely that “where there’s smoke, there’s fire”.

        • Anonymous

          This whole subject mystifies me. For some people, there seems to be an underlying belief that some can say whatever they want, but others have no right to open their mouths about anything. But if they dare do that, they are fair game for a verbal drive by shooting. nnJust yesterday on Twitter, I told someone that I do not want to fight with her and she replied something to the effect of stop contacting me. Now keep in mind I did not initiate the conversation with her. I simply replied to it.nnAnd saddest of all, I am sure that if she met me in person, she’d like me. But on Twitter and in blog comments, I am apparently so reprehensible that I do not warrant any courtesy. Very strange. And not a world I feel comfortable in. nnSo I am going to seek the light and find people who just want to discuss what happened on the last episode of a Housewives show. :D

      • Cattiva

        I too accept that the 1% (or even ten times that) is true. But keep in mind that these alleged wrongs were described from the “victims” p.o.v. No third party can fairly assess a disagreement by only hearing one side. And that you or I have felt 1% or ten times that in our dealings does not mean we can project to any more of it being true than what we know, which leaves you at a small percentage. As it does me. I have seen enough of Lynn’s behavior to convince me that I would not choose to associate with her. But I have seen enough of the actions witten about in Ilana’s purported expose to doubt half of what was written. nIt was never intended to do anything but vilify Lynn and promote Ilana. Keeping it Real was using a few people’s self justifying explanations, one side of arguements without balance, to support the author’s agenda. That author has written things in her previous blogs that were extreme, and so ugly in language and intent that I have been disturbed. Ilana name calls in an mean, childish way. No need to do that if you can reason and present your p.o.v.nTwo bloggers are behaving like the characters they mock and critique. We do not know what they have edited in order to persuade people of their stories, any more than we do with the television shows they review. Maybe 1% or even10% is true. The rest is editing to present only one point of view. To capture viewers and readers attention. Go with what you know to be true. For myself. that is that I do not trust either party to be fair-minded. Ask what the end game is? n

        • Anonymous

          I get it and I have stopped reading both of their blogs. While I think both writers have something to offer the discussion, the negativity in both has turned me off. As I told Michael Mazzella, I do not think Ilana is an angel. I just saw a glimmer of truth in what she had to say. After initially thanking me, she made it clear to me that she was not interested in hearing what I have to say. That’s fine. I believe that if I continue to react and write in an honest/empathetic way, plenty of other people will. But even if I end up talking to myself, I will still learn more about writing, blogging and design. For me that’s enough of a pay off. This blog has taught me so much about myself and what I am capable of learning if I put my mind to learning. I wouldn’t trade this experience in. It fundamentally changed me and I like the change. :D

    • Anonymous

      But one quick thing: I did go to and read ALL of the links Ilana nsuggested. I just didn’t spend the extra 200 hours to read all of the nblogs, posts and comments on all the sites that were mention in those nlinks.

  • codystl

    PFW – I just found your blog through Quincy’ blog roll.u00a0 (side note, she did write a Thanksgiving blog, but the comments are off.u00a0 I, too, enjoyed her perspective and wish she would continue writing but not about any particular show.)u00a0 I’ve been looking for another great blog to follow to try and fill the void left by her.nnI read Lynn’s blog somewhat regularly.u00a0 Yes, there are a few who are overzealously protectiveu00a0at Lynn’s site but I think the majority of folks are very nice.u00a0 Please don’t make a sweeping generalization of all of the readers and commenters there.u00a0 I once had an opposing position and only one commenter got a little snarky.u00a0 I’ve received some great support and advice there, too.nnAnyway, I look forward to being welcomed here as a regular reader and commenter.nn

    • codystl

      OK – I just read the IHBF blog.u00a0 The exchange is pretty brutal with a commenter.u00a0But,really, there are some nice people over there…

      • Anonymous

        I spent enough time over there to read what I was directed to. Nothing extra. I bet they are all nice, but I didn’t stay there long enough to make friends.

    • Anonymous

      I hope you can read through how startled I am. I just digestedu00a0 Q’s piece. Wow-oh-Wow. It reads like James Joyce’s The Dead. It begins like a sleeper and then stings you in the heart. nnI miss Q and I know a great mind like that will never be able to keep her extraordinary writing to herself. I just hope I am aware of it the moment she reemerges. nnIf you are looking to find another great blog to fill Q’s shoes, trust me: mine will never be that. I am far too emotional and not nearly as intelligent enough to be her understudy. That girl is/was a unique voice. I am just a regular girl who is honest. nnI bet most of Lynn’s readers are lovely people. That makes sense to me. I just loathe the snarky world. But still rest assured: you are always welcomed here. While I may not always like what everyone has to say, I welcome and celebrate everyone’s right to voice his/her opinion. And I promise you and everyone that I will never delete or censor comments. nnNow I will go back to being haunted by Q’s story of her childhood friend. What a tale. What an economy of words: http://foralltrekkies.wordpress.com/2011/11/25/i-wanted-to-honor-a-friend/nnxxoo,nnmennAll of it reminds me of the end of James Joyce’s The Dead: nn”A few light taps upon the pane made him turn to the window. It had begunn to snow again. He watched sleepily the flakes, silver and dark, fallingn obliquely against the lamplight. The time had come for him to set out non his journey westward. Yes, the newspapers were right: snow was ngeneral all over Ireland. It was falling on every part of the dark ncentral plain, on the treeless hills, on the Bog of Allen and, farther nwestward, softly falling into the dark mutinous Shannon waves. It was nfalling, too, upon every part of the lonely churchyard on the hill wheren Michael Furey lay buried. It lay thickly drifted on the crooked crossesn and headstones, on the spears of the little gate, on the barren thorns.n His soul swooned slowly as he heard the snow falling faintly through nthe universe and faintly falling, like the descent of their last end, nupon all the living and the dead.”n

      • MaggieG

        Q’s Thanksgiving tribute to her friend was another little gem.nnWith regard to the ongoing blog war: u00a0I’m not sure when this turned around to become about the posters on these boards. u00a0Yes, they are a mix of the vicious & the civil but I thought this was about the bloggers themselves; how their manner has triggered all of this negative, threatening behavior.nnWhen a blogger is all about snark (for whatever reason, agenda/style not withstanding) like minded people will follow. u00a0Why would it be surprising that such emotionally charged diatribes would escalate into something worse?nnPeople look for blog experiences that are compatible with their mindset.

        • Anonymous

          That’s interesting. Seeking out your mindset never occurred to me, but it does make perfect sense. nnI would love to know who started the idea of snark being a good thing. I remember years ago there was a NYC media blog that lots of people read. The woman who started it has gone on to fame, fortune and traditional newspaper success. nnShe was credited for using snark to capture readers’ attention, but it seems to me she did it in a sophisticated way. It definitely was not nastiness for nastiness’s sake. It was more like flirtatious teasing that was decorated with clever puns and sophisticated literary & popular culture references.nnShe never made fun of people’s appearances, race, religion or ethnicity. And she never pounced on anyone in the comments.

          • MaggieG

            Congrats on your new format. u00a0Very polished.nnWith regard to snark & the general low brow behavior on the blogosphere I suggest you take a peek at Quincy’s latest offering (dated 12/4/11).u00a0nnIt’s gratifying to still be able to hear her voice & makes one introspective about any negative participation in the fray.nnGlad to be able to come here. u00a0Thank you.

            • Anonymous

              I saw her post this morning! It literally made my day.u00a0 It’s funny, I found myself smiling while I was making coffee and couldn’t figure out why I was so happy and then I remembered One Year of Silence (http://foralltrekkies.wordpress.com/2011/12/04/one-year-of-silence/) nnI read it in bed while still half asleep and then reread it after the coffee was made. I am THRILLED she is back if only sporadically. I love that lady big time. nnThanks for the kind words about the new design. I’ve wanted to try to make this more magazine-ish for a while but always worried about the transition. Then it hit me yesterday: the transition will be ugly but that’s okay! I am not perfect. And it is okay for my blog to be ugly for as long as it takes to fix it. I still have some work to do, but I am now okay with it all.u00a0 Thank you againnnxo, Regina

  • Cattiva

    Thanks Priscilla for this post and for your blog. I am pleased that you did not stop posting. For those of us that will miss Quincy, it is nice to have not lost you too.nTo the people who are critical of you for having waded into this territory, please consider that a calmer perspective is appreciated by me and others. Some of us came to Housewives’ blogs because the behavior shown on screen was beyond the pale. I value civility and honesty. These two bloggers have donethings that shocked me, and both seem to be reenacting the sorts of deceptive and bullying tactics that they criticized. I have witnessed and felt it. nThere is for me, no need to take sides in this she said versus she said. It is squabble in which all parties wish to see only their own side. I have seen some of the incidents listed as they played out, and have yet to see an accuser that would own up to their own measure of fault. Everyone who rolls around in this will be dirtied in my estimation.nI believe that Q saw that writing on the wall. Her Elisabeth post may be understood as Q’s recognition that people may have good, positive and transformative impacts and that is what is to be celebrated. Writers contribute through blogs in communicating their values. Television shows are our shared experience. Commenting about them defines part of our social experience. The current spate of blog accusations is comment worthy. I personally applaud a person who attempts to differentiate from such silly behavior,by calling it out for what it is. Hold yourself to the higher standard that these bloggers have lost sight of. Brava!

    • Cattiva

      Priscilla. Did you happen to see that just last night Dr. Drew did a segment on Real Housewives, Beverly Hills? He was emphatic about the downsides of shows that present negative and pathological behaviors as entertainment. I came away from the discussion with the awareness that we get a kind of unhealthy fixation on the drama, it is innate to our psychology. These shows capture our attention the way a horrific accident does. When they raise our adrenaline, we are hooked. Even though informed adults know the shows are situationally scripted, they send us mixed messages and we simultaneously view them as real. nThe bullying and pathological behaviors are imprinted. Dr. Drew was emphatic about the message this sends to young viewers. But heightened drama, and acting out in ways that are unhealthy or deceptive, may affect us all. Blogs are useful as a place to keep these behaviors in perspective, until the bloggers start imitating them.nI am hoping the Dr. Drew show is repeated this weekend. It is a short but compelling. On HLN.

      • Anonymous

        I didn’t see it, but I really wish I did. I just did a quick search online and found this: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2011/11/30/drew-reality-tv-bad.hlnnnI suspect that this is just a snippet and that the real segment was longer than this.nnI’m glad you told me about this. I will definitely look for a repeat. If you hear of one, please let me know.nnI am not someone who learns from the mistakes of others, and I am not naturally inclined to listen to cautions from doctors or other alleged authority figures, but Dr. Drew’s book literally scared me to death and succeeded in preventing me from reading TMZ comments that get ugly. Once I see someone dehumanize another person, I literally click the page closed, knowing the dangers that come from harshly judging people we do not know.nnI believe there is a way to watch and enjoy these shows. But I think that is only possible if you are highly aware that you are constantly being manipulated to see one person as good and another as bad. Nothing is ever that simple. Good people do horrible things at times. Bad people can be angels if you catch them at the right moment. nnWhat truly horrifies me is when Bravo tries to pit one characters against another. A good example of this was in NJ. This past season Lauren Manzo was shown as admirable, while Ashley did not seem to have any redeeming qualities. And they positioning both of their stores next to each other. You’d literally see Lauren being perfect in one scene and in the next, Ashley was a nightmare. That seems unnecessarily cruel to me, but I must admit, I fell for it.

  • sweetiebeaties

    These “Housewives blog wars” that are happening make me think of a pack of hyenas fighting over a carcass and sniping at each other. The Housewives franchise has enough characters, story lines and gossip for all to be able to make their own comments and opinions without trying to take a chunk out of any other blog.u00a0

    • Anonymous

      I agree with you that people should not take unnecessary swipes at another blog but when someone says/writes something outrageous, I think it is 100% acceptable to comment on it.

  • CaliSteve

    Your the voice of reason!

    • Anonymous

      I try. And sometimes I am. But other times, I fail miserably. :D As long as I don’t get snarky, I am happy.

  • Anonymous

    I was doing my usual review of all the RH blogs and I saw that Lynn called out another blogger, whom she didn’t name, but referenced recent pictures of MeGo.u00a0 I didn’t mind the call out, that’s fine if you don’t agree with a post and can articulate your point.u00a0 However, to call that person because yes, the bloggers are people, unscrupulous and nasty just makes it personal.u00a0 Angels article came to mind while reading Lynn’s rant and it was a sad moment.u00a0 Then I come here and read this and it all just comes together.

    • Anonymous

      My blogging software is so kooky that I sometimes reply to comments and my reply does not post. Other times I reply and I cannot see what was posted, but it’s actually there.

      So please forgive me in either case because I definitely did reply to this note and I cannot see the reply, but as soon as a post another one, I may. Too kooky for words.

      Still maybe it is a blessing if it got lost because I now understand what you are saying more than I did when I initially read your comment. I had no idea whatsoever that Lynn ever had anything to say about Ilana’s blog. I must have missed that before I stopped reading her blog.

      I cannot imagine how she wove MeGo into this discussion. But I am sure you are right. Calling anyone “unscrupulous and nasty” is always a personal affront. Personally I do not think Ilana is either. In truth I think she did the best she could to make her point and to substantiate each point with facts and links to substantiate what she was trying to say.

      I have no idea if everything she said is true. I doubt it. But enough of it is/was and enough of it jibs with my own experiences that I know there is something very fishy going on over at Lynn’s site.

      Which is not to say that Ilana is 100% innocent. She may be. She may not be. I have no idea. But at this point both women rub me the wrong way and I am steering clear of both sites in favor of people like Quincy at http://foralltrekkies.wordpress.com and other bloggers who never seem to forget that this was all supposed to be fun.

      Thank you for reading and commenting. I sincerely apologize for the delay in responding and hope this one isn’t a duplication of something I cannot see over here. Still maybe the delay was a good one. I think my take on this has changed since I wrote my last one.  xxoo Regina

  • Aliea

    I wanted to share my point of view on this article. I have never been to Illiana angels blog, but i do know it exists from Lynn’s blog. My main reason for not going there is that she hates bethenny frankel. I love Bethenny. And yes, i did hate Jill. Back when the third season was airing and Jill was systematically trying to destroy Bethennys career, It was apparent that Bravo didnt post anything that wasnt in favor of Jill. In frustration i typed into my browser, I hate jill zarin, and to my surprise, Lynn’s blog Popped up. I was Trilled. I lurked ( just read but never posted) for a very long time. When i did post, it was infrequent. There were times i tried staying around and posting for a few days but i never really felt like i belonged there. Lynn and the bloggers insist that it isnt a hate blog, and if people would get past the name, they would see that. Well, thats true, and not true. Having spent close to two years reading the post and all the comments on a very very regular basis, i can say that they are very supportive of one another, and certainly dont hate all of the housewives. But that doesnt mean they don;t hate and actively try to make certain HW’s ( jill) know who they are. i have been in the room when certain instances happened. Most recently with a Person who had a photo that she insists lynn took credit for. I have been in the room when Jills tweets and personal emails have been read, I have been in the room when they have disucssed friending her to unfriend her all at once so her numbers go down greatly. While they certainly hate other HW’s , i never heard about any attempts to do things like that with them. One of the things lynn prides herself on is freedom of speech in her blog community. Well, thats true to an extent. The thing you will notice immediately upon entering , is that every 20 mins or so, someone will profusely thank Lynn for the privledge of being there . For giving them this opportunity to commune with one another. In between HW talk , why they hate this one or that one, or love this one and that one, their talking about their day, their illnesses, knitting, etc… incredibly pedantic stuff. Granted normal life isnt too exciting but there seems to be a special doze inducing quality to the banter and every ten minutes they praise each other to the skies. Lynn has special posters  who she depends on to gather information re: the housewives and they come in like conquering hero’s with fun stuff on jill . Lynn really does get information before other people do. She does have someone in her camp who runs in Jill’s circle and i think over time she aquired more. I always felt like an inside observer and there was always something about the women and the room i disliked. Over time i noticed a similarity to the majority of constant posters, and those who had developed close friendships. Their sense of humor consisted of snarky humor. Bethenny is said to have snarky humor, but in fact, its witty. Lynn’s posters lack the wit, but are big on snark. They’d be laughing and i’d be left wondering where the genuine humor was. There were to be fair, a few posters who were wonderfully funny but they left . ( i will not speculate on why) . New posters came in who i found to be crude, truly nasty about the HW’s they disliked and the tone changed. Lynn became less hands on, more inclined to let her posters speak for her and help with the daily grind of blogging. There is no question her motive was to get Jill fired from NY and i hve to say that i believe she helped to accomplish that goal. The posters are like a group of tigers who portect each other no matter what , who protect lynn from any critism and will turn on someone who disagrees quickly. While they tolerate differences in who you like as far as HW’s go, they will brook no disagreement about Lynn, their friends, their blog, or outsiders . THey will in short order call you a troll,  a mole, or the latest , an assh**e. In fact they are joking about making tee shirts that say moles trolls and assh**es. They will make snide remarks to each other clearly about you, and if you call them on it, they become indignant that you would dare question them. One of them will declare they can no longer post due to the great hurt inflicted upon them, and lynn will come in and save the day by blocking the offender , and celebration will abound. Lynn will make a speech that her wonderful posters need not walk on egg shells to be nice, that no one will “highjack” the room , and trolls moles and assh**es will not be tolerated in her room> and once accolades will be given out to one and all . I heard something said by a regular that made great sense, she said that she resented being labeled a mean girl ( by the person highjacking the room ) because she has worked hard on not being a mean girl, and there in lies teh reason i have never been at east there. Its a room full of mean girls who grew up and learned to be nicer , but in their own element, their  mean girl personality has full reign , and outsiders feel it. The need for the room , ie jill, is done , and so i hope is the need for blogs that rag on human beings .        

    • Anonymous

      Thanks for your note. I read it with great interest. I am going to have to read it again when I can give it the attention it deserves. I am in the middle of an entire week of creating/wrapping and shipping holiday gifts for a client. It always surprises me that it takes so long to get them out the door.  But it does and this is the week when it will over take my life.

      In the meantime, I want to you to know I read every word and was blown away by much of what you had to say. Yes, on a gut level it horrifies me that anyone would spend time thinking about “moles, trolls and assh**les.” I have a decent temper myself but never have I given any thought to trashing other people. I kid you not: never.

      But forgetting my instant “you’ve got to be kidding me reaction!” there is something fascinating here on a psychological level. I know so little about this subject (unlike my writing partner) that I come to you with my reaction with a wealth of ignorance. But I am POSITIVE there is something profound to be learned in what you have described above about the commenters on Lynn’s site.

      For the record I reread my post tonight and think I overstated boredom with Bethenny. The truth is you are right: she is very, very witty. And that is because she is MUCH smarter than the other original NYC Housewives. And she had many more valuable experiences than the other women, both professionally and on Celebrity Apprentice, to aid her in conquering her life on Bravo. I also know that she is not a mean girl. I saw every episode of CA and she went out of her way to try to be nice to the other contestants. She looked very uncomfortable when she was on camera and being played head to head against someone else.

      Jill, however, is another story. I was never charmed by her routine. But I didn’t come to question her as a human being until season 3 when she was really gunning for Bethenny. But trust me: it was no love lost. I simply had no interest in her.

      I hope you return and comment here whenever you feel like it. As I have said before I may not love everything everyone has to say, but I will not delete comments (unless of course what you post is 100% verified spam with dangerous links).

      Thank you again. I will read your comment again tomorrow when I have a break from wrapping and filling out FedEx slips.

    • MaggieG

      I’ve been surfing numerous HWs sites since the recent blog wars nonsense & have seen some be critical of Lynn.  Unlike the more incendiary comments of some posters at these sites Aliea’s comments are very well presented in that they state her first hand observations of what she witnessed at Lynn’s site & the inconsistencies they pose to the claims that it wasn’t a hate blog, that one could post differing opinions with impunity, etc.

      I also think that now that Jill is no longer part of the equation perhaps the regulars at Lynn’s can enjoy the coffee klatch it is.  She has a couple dozen or so posters who account for the majority of her hits, entries, whatever & they have bonded through a common predisposition (obviously not merely that they hated Jill since Aliea admits to feeling the same way & still didn’t want the Lynn site experience).

      There’s no harm in them patting themselves on the back & declaring their expertise in finance, medicine, psychology, law, publishing, etc.  It’s all in an anonymous environment.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t think there is a problem with the back patting either. In fact I think it is cute. But Lynn’s commenters are kidding themselves if they think that a mean spirited attitude is not part of their MO. I’ve read with my own eyes their wishing ill on complete strangers and Lynn herself is very quick to say things like, “It’s official so-and-so is a mean girl” as though she is the judge in Housewives court.

        It makes perfect sense to me that random women would enjoy watching and reacting to what is shown on the screen. Most women are naturally inclined to and good at analyzing behaviors of others. But there is something about the way Lynn herself and her readers talk about Housewives that is extremely negative and hateful.

        I agree Aliea’s comment is truly extraordinary. She obviously knows what she is talking about and she’s obviously very verbal, too. I mention verbal because she made another comment far down from here and mentioned how verbal Lynn’s commenters are. I never would have thought they were verbal, because I do not read them closely enough, but reading that made me want to take a look once again. Still I hope I do not because I am literally scared to rubberneck hate because I think it is dangerous.

        Thanks for reading and commenting. I feel like I am beginning to get to know you Maggie and I enjoy seeing what you have to say.

        • MaggieG

          I love reading & commenting here.  For me, you & Quincy are the truly bright, civilized bloggers.  Everyone has an opinion.  Anyone can dedicate themselves to digging up gossip “first”.  Of & by itself, that only amounts to rote nonsense.  You & Q are thoughtful enough to use less pedestrian perspectives.  It makes one think.

          Extending best wishes for joyful Holidays.

          • Anonymous

            Maggie, I am so flattered by your kind words. Thank you. You literally made my month! I adore Quincy. She’s a brilliant writer and a very nice lady, too. 

            For anyone who has not checked out her site, please try to take a look at it: http://foralltrekkies.wordpress.com/

            I do not always agree with her but I am ALWAYS charmed and challenged by what she has to say because she is much more intelligent than I am. :D

            Thank you again, Maggie.  Merry Christmas! Happy Hanukkah! and Happy New Year, too. Thank you for reading and commenting. :D

    • Anonymous

      Hi Aliea,

      Since my initial reaction to your post, I have re-read it again maybe three times. It’s utterly fascinating to me because you know so much more about this subject than I do and much of what you said is new to me.

      I am curious, because I am always curious about things like this, when did the tone in Lynn’s comments change? I ask because I wonder if it was when in season 4 the whole subject of hate blogging was featured on approx. three episodes.  I cannot imagine how that kind of promotion could fail to change the climate of a blog.

      I am still trying to figure out what why what you describe is so fascinating to me from a psychological standpoint. It sounds like there is a bit of mob mentality here in that it is okay to bash another person if you are in a group, but also because of that whole Kitty Genovese phenomenon where people do not speak up against bad behavior if the rest of the group remains silent throughout.

      Most fascinating of all is the idea of a commenting room of reformed mean girls. It makes perfect sense that they would revert to old behaviors when in the company of each other.

      Thank you so much for commenting. You’ve given me alot to think about. I also want to ask my writing partner, a psychologist and social worker who works in family therapy. I am sure she’ll have alot to say about the topics you have raised.

      If you have the chance to tell me about when the climate changed in Lynn’s comments, I would love it. Thanks for writing. I really enjoyed reading what you had to say.  xxoo, Regina

      • Aleia

        Its still fascinating to me as well ! i think im trying to understand my own part in that mind set for so long. The blog seems to have changed around the time this last season of NJ started. You will have to forgive me , i didnt pay attention to what was going on with Lynn , or anyone who mentioned her , or which of the housewives acknowleged her etc…. The tone of the blogs changed, and then i left for a while and when i came back, Quincy, and several other long term posters were also gone. I have no idea what happened.I have theories about the die hard core group there psychologically but certainly don’t feel right spouting them. People were so incensed at Jill for doing what she did , and bravo didnt post any negative comments that when Lynn came out and said what everyone was feeling , she really did become a hero to women who felt that there was unfairness not only on tv, but somehow in a personal sense as well.
        To be honest, i think that a lot of posters know Lynn has gone too far with things, but they ignore it. I know i did. They tell themselves their not doing anything like that, ie, attacking people, sending cards to HW’s, stealing content , etc.. all their doing is reading a blog and writing a few lines about a TV show once in a while. The ones that do her dirty work , truly really believe their fighting the good fight. Its the good girls against the mean girls and they honestly don’t see their behavior as mean.
        No one is going to stand up , and when they do, they get blocked :). And thats mild compared to some of the things ive heard. Lynn has never attacked me, and i never had a problem with Lynn .  I just never felt a part of the Lynn Family. I never cared about that either until a few people came on and said what they felt and i saw how they were attacked.
        Its funny that whenever someone would say something against the blog, i went along with thinking they were trolls or the same person. I believed what Lynn said . When i saw more and more people leaving, and Lynn’s attitude changing in her response to people who said something, that’s when i knew the blog was an unhealthy place to spend my time.
        The real problem with the blog wars is that most of the things i read against Lynn are written by people that sound insane, or childish , and can barely write. Or they hate Bethenny, i mean her behavior :) as they distinguish. So with those examples to choose from, people end up thinking Lynn must be right.
        Some people couldnt care less about any of this , and their the ones to emulate.
        I think its funny how people can spend as much time as they do on any of this. Myself included and im going to use this opportunity to start reading more again lol….. Neither Lynn, nor her detractors deserve this much attention. I could be washing my hair !  

        • Anonymous

          Pretty much everything you wrote sounds very accurate. I have no doubt the people on Lynn’s blog think or thought all of the nastiness is justified or okay in some way. I was extremely curious why or how Quincy left blogging and commenting there. I still have no idea why or no theories about it. I just remember reading a fantasy piece she wrote when New York was late in premiering this past season and never saw her on that site again.

          Although I do not know Quincy at all (I just admire her from afar) I was always tempted to ask her. But hesitated to and I am not sure why. I guess it is because I am sure it’d make her feel uncomfortable and I do not want anyone, even a stranger, to feel that way.

          I agree with you that neither Lynn nor her detractors deserve this kind of attention. As a result of knowing how dangerous this can be, I do not read I hate jill zarin or Ilana’s site or Stoopid Housewives. I like watching the shows and love reading what other people have to say. But there is something about a few sites that makes me feel uncomfortable.

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